Monday, August 03, 2009

How can "she" be dead?

Hey Raquel,

Hope all is well. A friend sent me the new Joell Ortiz song on Hip Hop dying and I thought about you. Creo que lo que dice aplica al Reggeaton se si algun reggaetonero ha escrito sobre "la muerte anunciada" del reggeaton. Dejame saber si sabes de alguna cancion.

(Roxanna García González)

Wow... thanks so much for this link.

"How can she be dead when she's a spirit?" BEAUTIFUL!

I haven't seen the equivalent of these types of songs in reggaeton. Just statements by artists.

Again, thank you!
(Raquel Z. Rivera)


DJPerso said...

Hey Raquel this is Kian a.k.a el Perso
i always follow your blog, i <3 reggaeton
and i also have a copy of your book!!!

before i get into anything else,
i jus wanted to let you know there are equivalents to the song by joell ortiz in reggaeton, check out guelo starr
"Reggaeton pa to el mundo"
"que tu dice"

and i dont think reggaeton is gonna die,

house and techno are "same beat" music, but theyre still immensely popular

what do you think?

raquelzrivera said...

Thanks so much for the references Perso! I'll check those out and check in back here.

raquelzrivera said...

Ok, so now that I heard them both I can actually comment. (Thanks again for the references.) As sandungueo-provoking as the two songs are, I'm having a hard time seeing how they can be the equivalent of Joell's song (or other classics in that vein like Common's "I used to love H.E.R." or Nas' "Hip Hop Is Dead".)

Guelo Star (a few times) says regaetón will stay alive, but "Que tu dices" is really not built around that idea. And "Reggaeton pa to el mundo" doesn't really bring up the death of reggaeton. (Or am I listening to re-mixes or versions that are not the ones you're pointing to?)

I completely agree that just because a genre is "same beat" music doesn't mean it's doomed to die. (Merengue and plena are "same beat" music too. ¿No?)

I think folks are trying to declare reggaeton dead prematurely. If there are still tons of fans who follow it... how can it be dead? Even if there ever came a time when reggaeton was just listened to by 3 diehard fans, not even then would it be dead.

That said, I'm not completely sure that the urban music genre that became known as "reggaeton" will keep operating under the same name indefinitely. As artists keep relying less and less on the dembow rhythm, more artists are saying what they do is "urban music" instead of "reggaeton".

Me, personally, I'm more interested in documenting what people (fans, artists, industry tastemakers, journalists) call a genre, than trying to impose my opinion of what a genre's name should be.

So let me ask you: Without the dembow beat is a song still reggaeton? If the genre ever broke its ties to dancehall reggae completely (dembow or not), is it still reggaeton? If all "reggaeton" sounded like Tito El Bambino's "El amor" and Don Omar's "Chica Virtual", would it still be reggaeton, to you?

Check what The Sepia Prince had to say about this all on my myspace blog:

DJPerso said...

Thank you raquel for listening to the songs,
and i totally agree with you that they are not on parr with those classics from nas and common,
well back to the question you asked me about if without the dembow is it still reggaeton?
as open minded as i can be about this question, i would say no, and the reason im saying that is that , reggaeton was born with the bam bam riddim, and as much change it went through since 1992, after 17 years its still dependent on some sort of dem bow, Reggaeton is heavily dependent of its original dem bow riddim and percussion. now the real question is what constitutes a dembow?
and i also have another thing to say
the concept of urban music is not a new concept, and i doubt that its gonna overwhelm and change the identity of reggaeton the way it seems like it is, musica negra, underground, reggae y rap,
i think whats happening is that since reggaeton is decreasing in popularity artists are exploring more options, pop(diva virtual), cumbia(el amor),
and i suppose that certain music will always b called reggaeton, its just that reggaeton is starting to fall under the greater umbrella of "urban music"
i hope i dont sound arrogant

what are your thoughts?

DJPerso said...

Sorry dj Perso again, i was gonna add something else,
as far as reggaeton is concerned this year has been much better than last year, 2008 was the slowest and deadest for reggaeton, so much that not only in mainstream terms but also in underground terms, and artists have began reusing the term reggaeton more, i think its gaining momentum again, but i could b wrong